This question keeps coming up. As Europeans have 2-4% Neanderthal DNA, the claims made make people wonder. The problem with the claim:
It is silly.
Here is why:
“Neanderthal mtDNA is very different from human mtDNA, so interbreeding did not happen.
=> FALSE : this is one of the stupidest argument I have read so far. First of all, Mitochondrial DNA is only transmitted by the mother. It is very possible that some haplogroups have disappeared with time, especially if they had pathogenic mutations. If Neanderthal mtDNA caused an evolutionary handicap compared to Homo Sapiens mtDNA, it would have been wiped out with a few hundreds or thousands years.
Take a family tree of cave person going back 5 generations. All of his 32 great-great-great-grand-parents are Homo Sapiens, except one Neanderthal woman. If the Neanderthal woman is not the ancestor in cognatic line (mother’s mother’s mother’s…), then the child will not inherit Neanderthal mtDNA, although he/she will inherit other genes from Neanderthal. After 5 generations there is only one chance out of 16 to inherit that particular female ancestor’s mtDNA. After 21 generations, there is only one chance out of 1 million. If that mtDNA is pathogenic, the chances are close to zero. Think about 1,000 generations that separate us from the “extinction” of pure Neanderthals.
Secondly, mtDNA evolves with time. Most of the haplogroups found in Europe nowadays did not exist 40,000 years ago, when Homo Sapiens reached Europe. If Neanderthal mtDNA had survived, it would have evolved just like Homo Sapiens mtDNA. If we found that mtDNA in someone, it would be quite difficult to recognise when compared to the few samples of Neanderthal bones (some over 100,000 years old !) tested. It could be that haplogroups such as X, W or I actually descend from Neanderthal, but have a high genetic distance to the bones tested because a) they do not belong to the same subspecies of Neanderthal, and b) they have evolved too much in 40,000 years. “
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Do modern Europeans partly descend from Neanderthal ?
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I did the Full Sequence mtDNA test and my result was Haplogroup T2 which is the same as Tsar Nicholas II Romanov. His mother was apparently Danish and Northern Italian. My mother, grandmother and great-grandmother are/were all Rh O Negative as am I. (So is my father and his parents!) My maternal line is Italian but DNA testing also showed some Greek, Levant and Middle Eastern mixed in. In David Sykes book, The Seven Daughters of Eve (I think it is called)…he calls the originator of Haplogroup T2 “Tara” and puts her being from Northern Italy. Many royals are of this mtDNA Haplogroup which they say originated in the Fertile Crescent. I really feel as if the Etruscans play a huge role in the Rh Negative Blood Type…and the Tuscany area in general. Look into their language, art, culture, religion, etc. and you will be very intrigued by what you find. (Plus a lot of redheads can be found in that area!)
Who tested you? Maybe I should get tested. That’s really cool. I just want the correct information. Today its hard to get accurate blood test…many errors…please send me name of DNA testing . I am curious now
Hi Robin! Yes, you have to weed out all the bullcrap which can be very hard at times. I originally tested my Autosomal and mtDNA through Familytreedna.com. I downloaded my raw data and uploaded it to practically every other site out there including MyHeritage, Living DNA, DNALand and Gedmatch. I also did health and trait reports. As you know, the more people who test their DNA, the more accurate their ancestry estimates become. FTDNA is now on their 3rd update and I have found it to be the most accurate in terms of all of my research and what I can verify based on actual evidence. In my opinion…all roads lead to Rome. But, who actually built Rome? Apparently the Etruscans. They also were the ones who designed the spectacular water / sewer systems of Rome…knowing the importance of clean and pure water…and Air. The air and food quality in Italy is amazing…their diet…also, Calabria being a former Greek Colony..plus all of the Vikings and Normans in Sicily…a LOT of red hair in Southern Italy as well…Cosenza, Tropea , Diamente…the water looks just like the Caribbean….things that make you go hmmmm!
Thanks…I know lots of websites are full of Crap. I need to discern, a bit better…sorry guys.
So interesting you write this. And that you leave the comment on this post.
https://www.rhesusnegative.net/staynegative/etruscans/
I wrote this 3 years ago about the high Neanderthal DNA in Tuscany.
“The Tuscans have the highest level of Neandertal similarity of any of the 1000 Genomes Project samples. They have around a half-percent more Neandertal similarity than Brits or Finns in these samples. The CEU sample is slightly elevated compared to Brits and Finns as well.”
Well I will reread prior to post…Tuscany..DNA. The last website states only 2% of Neanderthal genome survived…that according to they scientist.com ” genomes or DNA was expunged” over time. But super interested in Tuscany DNA…sorry will not post premature to all research.
Be careful with interpretations done by many scientific studies. The actual studies are what matters. Not headline-driven write-ups.
Btw. Your comments are pre-approved. If they still require moderation, it is not me doing it.
Wow Mike…I had no idea that you wrote that about Tuscany/Etruscans/Neanderthals, etc. When I travelled there, I felt an immediate connection..especially to a town called Orvieto which I also feel needs to be investigated. I have A LOT of DNA evidence that I would love to share with you…incuding evidence of ADHD, Dopamine, Stronger Muscles/Bones, Larger Cranial Capacity and so much more. I was born with Strawberry Blonde hair and have gray blue eyes. My DNA does show a connection to Mesopotamia as well. I have also personally travelled to places in Europe to investigate my findings and ancestral heritage including Italy and Scotland AND have many, many royals in my family tree. And yes, I have had to weed out all of the conspiracy theories and rely both on science AND my intuition. I truly believe the answers will be found in our DNA…and that Ancestral/Genetic Memories are very real. Would love to correspond with you further…please feel free to send me an email with how I can contact you if you would like. Again, thank you so much for all of your efforts and research…I for one am truly GRATEFUL for it!! Traci
Thank you so much, Traci.
I will reply more and send you an email as soon as I get to my laptop.
Mike
Sounds Good Mike!
I am very interested Orvieto:
“The ancient city (urbs vetus in Latin, whence “Orvieto”), populated since Etruscan times, has usually been associated with Etruscan Velzna, but some modern scholars differ. Orvieto was certainly a major centre of Etruscan civilization; the archaeological museum (Museo Claudio Faina e Museo Civico) houses some of the Etruscan artifacts that have been recovered in the immediate area. An interesting artefact that might show the complexity of ethnic relations in ancient Italy and how such relations could be peaceful is the inscription on a tomb in the Orvieto Cannicella necropolis: mi aviles katacinas, “I am of Avile Katacina”, with an Etruscan-Latin first name (Aulus) and a family name that is believed to be of Celtic (“Catacos”) origin.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orvieto#Etruscan_era
Also in the Ligurians who may have had somewhat of a matriarchal society and a lot of Celtic origin.
I am looking for more images of locals in Orvieto (which means “old city”?).
I believe Mourant called Rh negative frequencies in the region similar to those of Western Europe. Even if not higher, one must remember that Tuscany is not isolated as Basque country and that the percentages in southern Italy are far lower.
Mike.. Can we talk? Do you have a direct email or number? Traci
Thank You mike! Really interesting. And beautiful. My daughter travelled to this area and also to Malta. I remember her comments how she felt very drawn. I love history. I also felt a strong connection when I looked at photos. That whole area calls to me. Interesting the High RH frequencies. Thank you
I found this mystery enjoyable to research. However hard facts seem few. Articles have at this point just started to research…Have seem to speculate or hypothesize without hard facts. I’ve only read a few articles. ( live science.com 65594- Neanderthals 2% dip in fertility led to extinction) To (Live science.com humans and Neanderthals breed…same web sight I stayed on until I researched The HLAB27CCR5delta 32 gene. The claims as you can read on your own are many hypothesis without true clinical facts which is a catalyst to research everything until I find the truth…Thanks mike my new obsession…So the few claims I read co-op concurred with the Thesis mike wrote on subject. Not enough, to breeding with no mods poems, to planned murders of Neanderthals by him leap lens, with questions of genetic history in humans today…Topics on The Pleistocene epoch time period were both N And H co-existed creating hybrids…Will continue to find more…oh yes…one article states they died due to ear infections? Regarding HBLA27CCR5 delta 32 mutation article Science direct.com had interesting tables from 87 countries. States No regions possess16.4% of the mutation as Ethiopia possesses 0… Much more than 7%…. I’m going to research in my own peculiar way as I do study head and neck anatomy and follow the Occipital Bun described characteristic of Neanderthals…I find answers in my own odd way…Cranial anatomy…this is the way you can’t manipulate truth…so lets see what I bring to the table tomorrow! Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
The Neanderthals have lateral brain extensions that would have been needed to smell and see. These are primitive needs. Morton says that American Indigenes could hunt by smell… probably because of this primitive feature. The parts of the brain that produce the animal functions didn’t produce intelligence.
Rh- from Neanderthals? … Do you mean to imply that Rh- = depressed addicts who develop bloodclots?
I reject that theory, en masse.
O Rh(D) negatives are prone to developing blood clots huh? i think they’re one of the least likely blood groups to do so. based on current Rh(D)- pop # prevalence and the way A & B blood type antigens develop from the H antigen (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK2268/), it seems likely to me that O-‘s were the 1st human Rh(D) negative blood group (i’ve seen no evidence that this Rh(D)- trait exists in any other animal species). on another note: the Inquisition appears to have begun more than 3 centuries before the Basque Ignatius of Loyola was born. the Spanish Inquisition apparently began almost 13 yrs prior to his birth.
whether the Rh -/- trait developed as a result of an RNA virus (most genetic changes from these viruses apparently occurred far back in our/human genetic past), from early to early-modern human interbreeding, from a single large gene deletion mutation in one individual or from something else…one thing seems rather certain to me: successful mating continued from this point/these points and also likely w/ high levels of inbreeding (when compared to current global standards as a whole) thus producing some areas w/ high levels of Rh -/- people and likely producing clans & tribe-like units at least. it seems more likely to me that the first Rh (D) -/- individual was a male based on the problems Rh -/- women have w/ bearing Rh positive children (although that’s still a possibility – it seems less likely to succeed).
No, Neanderthals suffer from Depression, Addicitons, and Blood Clots. I’m Rh- and I don’t have any of those traits. But I know Rh- negs who have all of them. Maybe it’s keyed to B A or O… not the Rhesus factor. O being American and European, A being Norse, B being Asian… is that what’s current today? It seems to be what the maps I can find are saying.
Other Note: Well then, there must be two Ignatius of Loyola’s, or two Spanish Inquisitions. Why do YOU think someone thinks the Basques were behind the Inquisition that targeted its own witchcraft people? Some say Loyola was a different race entirely, and it was an attempt to smoke out the cryptos. Some say that’s how cryptos are born. Some say the Inquisition targeted Protestants. Some (like me) would even go so far as to say that Jesus is against murder for any reason… so, calling themselves the Society of Jesus is blasphemy… and hatred: “If ye love Me, keep My commandments”… if ye hate Me, do the opposite.
i’m type O Rh(D) negative – i think i may have the CCR5-delta32 gene deletion/mutation based on two “smallpox” vaxes from age 1 1/2-2 yrs that did not “take”/no scar/no infection occurred/developed – my ID pic on the left is from the Fall of 2019 – i’m 57 now and live in NY State, USA – i know i’m in essence: too different – one thing that i seek is truth – some seem to always hide it – some cannot handle it and don’t want to really know what it is – i have excellent physical endurance traits still – i do not need glasses – my senses are on the hyper positive end of the human scale often/usually – what makes us human in addition to language, civilization, making artifacts and biology? no thing is the same/equal in reality/actuality – i have preferences, i don’t care nor like to carrying the weight of hate – in general: i prefer to be left alone rather than interact w/ almost all others – spectrum-wise: i’m about as non-gay as anyone alive i think fwiw to anyone – all of these things/traits/apparent facts cause me to have problems w/ other people – i don’t expect this dynamic to change much while i’m consciously alive – in fact, from my p.o.v.: humanity seems to be rapidly moving away from what i am…a gap that still seems to be widening – i just deal w/ things as well as i can, while seeking to get satisfaction out living my life (my way) daily – among other things: my eccentricities help me/keep me from things like depression & boredom (the latter of the 2 seemed to be my best friend or constant companion for many years earlier in my life, when i had less control over what i did & my environment…when i was less myself/being forced to fit-in more/had less choice in what mattered) – again: O negs seem to be one of the least likely to have blood-clotting problems – there tend to be less structures on the surface of O neg red blood cells (Rh negative factor deletion included)…and so when this is added to other things, that tend to facilitate clotting, O negs are on the slower clotting end of the scale – i tend to overlay a mental grid of goodness on people/a person to discern/understand my environment/them/others – my god/what guides me is something of my own creation – it need only work well for me to be valid/accepted & used by me – i accept differences in others & myself – i expect them, since that is part of what it means to be an individual – i do not try to force their (differences) removal – having choices/options is very important in my worldview – just some thoughts & statements from me on a few things – success to those & that which are good
Rh O Negative Blood is from the Cro-Magnon… The ORIGINAL HUMAN. And I have genetic proof and evidence!!
That’s always been my instinct.
Isn’t it interesting that no one posits an Out of Europe foundation for the human race?
We have the Babylonian foundation, where an ark was made from lots and lots of lumber, dragged from somewhere far away from the flood-plain that was the Persian Gulf.
We have the Out of Africa foundation… where every culture on the globe is black, albinism is commonplace, and black-haired means black race… how does that even work? Albinism doesn’t change facial features, skip the hair entirely, and create new languages.
We have the Tarim Basin theory, from the Indo-Germanic database… which does what every other out-of theory does: makes Europe a place for tumbleweeds until the advent of the Barbarian Invasions… regardless of the amount of prehistoric archaeolgy found here.
Adam is never once said to have come from the place where the first human was born. In fact, they are trying desperately to erase the fact that the word Cro-Magnon starts with the Ligurian word for hole…
From what I read so far, if credible, yes seems to appear that way! Like I stated. I’ve only just started reading articles…its Thanksgiving and I cooked for four hours. I’m inclined to believe this fact is perhaps true. I need to further review credibility of websites as much is fictional on the web. One article states that genes have been identified in humans of Neanderthal identification in parts of Europe. In my opinion I believe RH negative traits have possibly come from Neanderthals. What I believe and what is fact are entirely two separate entities…so I will try to find answer to your question soon…I hope.
Ok get your comment….Read about Tuscany…seems I must research further…articles popping up are stating severity of civic cases in Italy directly being blamed for Neanderthal DNA…ancestry…that was interesting…I have not studied enough on mtDNA will refrain from comments don’t know enough yet…Thought the covid accusation was odd…I’m just going to zip it until I educate myself a bit more…please excuse any naive comments as I’m just learning TY
Maybe I’m misunderstanding this, but since neanderthals (and most other humans back then) had RH+ blood and the farmers from the N Iraq/Caucus region had RH- blood, I imagine most of the babies born to neanderthal men and the incoming women either died before/during childbirth or had various autoimmune issues that killed them off early. This was pre-rhogam shot, so nature would have drastically limited the number of successful births between the two groups.
1. “Little known fact: World’s oldest cave paintings were probably made by Neanderthals”
Neanderthals are to Cro-Magnons what the Impressionists are to Dutch Masters.
These days, people who invade somewhere lay claim to what was there when they moved in.
2. “Secondly, mtDNA evolves with time. Most of the haplogroups found in Europe nowadays did not exist 40,000 years ago, when Homo Sapiens reached Europe.”
Two assumptions, both are wrong. We are told to base our thoughts on what was said about where man came from… and that all men came at the same time from one blood. Today, we know this isn’t true at all. Man didn’t come from Babylon (Bible commentary) or Africa (dead and buried out-of-Africa theory). PRE-humans came from Babylon and Africa.
Man came from Europe. Self-styled excyclopedias like wiki pretend that we need to call Cro-Magnon ‘Early Modern Humans’. There is only one reason for that: to erase the name of Europe from the site in which the first Human was found. They didn’t “reach Europe”… they are found in Europe.
And ‘the seed of the woman’ is much more durable than that other ‘pedia’ would have you believe.
https://custance.org/Library/SOTW/Part_II/Chapter19.html
In fact, Cro-Magon genes don’t seem to have changed at all. 🙂 If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
They’ve picked apart Neanderthal DNA… finding out his addictions and bloodclots… but has anyone found scientific papers on these first Human Beings, called Cro-Magnon?